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elektro80
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Quick, soak your PCBs in DMT! _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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bachus

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Some of her points seem quite valid. I've been thinking that the Social Security fund in the US could be helped in the following way. Legalize cannabis. Pensioners who own land would be allowed to grow cannabis and sell it to distributers who would be taxed heavily (like booze) on their sales. The tax revenues would then be distributed to pensioners who don't grow it. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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deknow

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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Quick, soak your PCBs in DMT! |
hmmmm, i have a feeling if folks here had enough dmt to dip pcbs in, there wouldn't be so many posts.....
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deknow

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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject:
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summary:
1. I like free drugs
2. Some drugs are not illegal yet
3. They can't bust us all (when they make the legal drugs illegal, presumably)
4. we need to show "them" that we can use drugs resposibly
i agree with 1 and 2
3 is dubious...plenty of people get busted with drugs that are currently illegal.
as for 4 ....i think it's much more easy to demonstrate that drugs are sometimes used irresponsibly (and sometimes fataly)
that said, i always like to use this example:
http://www.hallucinogens.com/lsd/francis-crick.html
Francis Crick, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.
The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life.
Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.
Despite his Establishment image, Crick was a devotee of novelist Aldous Huxley, whose accounts of his experiments with LSD and another hallucinogen, mescaline, in the short stories The Doors Of Perception and Heaven And Hell became cult texts for the hippies of the Sixties and Seventies. In the late Sixties, Crick was a founder member of Soma, a legalise-cannabis group named after the drug in Huxley's novel Brave New World. He even put his name to a famous letter to The Times in 1967 calling for a reform in the drugs laws.
It was through his membership of Soma that Crick inadvertently became the inspiration for the biggest LSD manufacturing conspiracy-the world has ever seen the multimillion-pound drug factory in a remote farmhouse in Wales that was smashed by the Operation Julie raids of the late Seventies.
Crick's involvement with the gang was fleeting but crucial. The revered scientist had been invited to the Cambridge home of freewheeling American writer David Solomon a friend of hippie LSD guru Timothy Leary who had come to Britain in 1967 on a quest to discover a method for manufacturing pure THC, the active ingredient of cannabis.
It was Crick's presence in Solomon's social circle that attracted a brilliant young biochemist, Richard Kemp, who soon became a convert to the attractions of both cannabis and LSD. Kemp was recruited to the THC project in 1968, but soon afterwards devised the world's first foolproof method of producing cheap, pure LSD. Solomon and Kemp went into business, manufacturing acid in a succession of rented houses before setting up their laboratory in a cottage on a hillside near Tregaron, Carmarthenshire, in 1973. It is estimated that Kemp manufactured drugs worth Pounds 2.5 million an astonishing amount in the Seventies before police stormed the building in 1977 and seized enough pure LSD and its constituent chemicals to make two million LSD 'tabs'.
The arrest and conviction of Solomon, Kemp and a string of co-conspirators dominated the headlines for months. I was covering the case as a reporter at the time and it was then that I met Kemp's close friend, Garrod Harker, whose home had been raided by police but who had not been arrest ed. Harker told me that Kemp and his girlfriend Christine Bott by then in jail were hippie idealists who were completely uninterested in the money they were making.
They gave away thousands to pet causes such as the Glastonbury pop festival and the drugs charity Release.
'They have a philosophy,' Harker told me at the time. 'They believe industrial society will collapse when the oil runs out and that the answer is to change people's mindsets using acid. They believe LSD can help people to see that a return to a natural society based on self-sufficiency is the only way to save themselves.
'Dick Kemp told me he met Francis Crick at Cambridge. Crick had told him that some Cambridge academics used LSD in tiny amounts as a thinking tool, to liberate them from preconceptions and let their genius wander freely to new ideas. Crick told him he had perceived the double-helix shape while on LSD.
'It was clear that Dick Kemp was highly impressed and probably bowled over by what Crick had told him. He told me that if a man like Crick, who had gone to the heart of human existence, had used LSD, then it was worth using. Crick was certainly Dick Kemp's inspiration.' Shortly afterwards I visited Crick at his home, Golden Helix, in Cambridge.
He listened with rapt, amused attention to what I told him about the role of LSD in his Nobel Prize-winning discovery. He gave no intimation of surprise. When I had finished, he said: 'Print a word of it and I'll sue.' |
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject:
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| deknow wrote: | | He listened with rapt, amused attention to what I told him about the role of LSD in his Nobel Prize-winning discovery. He gave no intimation of surprise. When I had finished, he said: 'Print a word of it and I'll sue.' |
Good story! Yeah, I reckon that young lady may have to hide her identity behind some screwy avatar, maybe dye her hair and grow a beard when it's time to go job hunting. Damned Internet.
| bachus wrote: | | Some of her points seem quite valid. I've been thinking that the Social Security fund in the US could be helped in the following way. Legalize cannabis. Pensioners who own land would be allowed to grow cannabis and sell it to distributers who would be taxed heavily (like booze) on their sales. The tax revenues would then be distributed to pensioners who don't grow it. |
Such impeccable logic
| elektro80 wrote: | | Quick, soak your PCBs in DMT! |
Well, one might think that having heads detach and float about in space would be unsettling, but I guess YouTube's gotten us over that inhibition. See post #1. _________________ When the stream is deep
my wild little dog frolics,
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject:
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I wish I had gone tripping with her all those years back- I probably would have learnt something (or two )!
Wouldn't it be great to be able to 'grow' MDMA in one's back garden? (He says as he slurps on his late nite cup of valerian tea )
Wasn't Hitler a valerian addict??
I remember being able to work out both poetry and mathematics on LSD. Oh how times have changed!  _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject:
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I wouldn't just blame Hitler's behaviour on drugs!!
I think Hitler did what he did because he was basically a psychopath. You could haven taken all the drugs away from him and he'd still be a looney and a nutter.  _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject:
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| v-un-v wrote: | a looney and a nutter.  |
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seraph
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| xjscott wrote: | Yes, don't blame us looney nutters! We are harmless!
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Aye, I'll drink to that!
On the other hand she had a wort.
But on the first hand I'll stick with my selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, thank you very much.
BTW I have an elderly friend who said that after starting Prozak she felt a persistent urge to kill her gardner. She stoped taking the drug and urge passed. Clearly an anecdote in hand is worth a bushel at the farmers market. (a true story BTW)
Which is to say:
One man's meat is another man's poison.
And so may it be that vegetarianism is a good thing, yet one is well advised not to encourage that diet for all others.
Or as Martin Luther was want to say: "Think it in the bowels of Christ ye might be wrong."
Still we have to recognize that he had not access to Prozak, Zoloft, or Lexapro and if he had I still might be able to purchase a hearty indulgence.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:13 am Post subject:
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lovely is it in someone's arms  _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:19 am Post subject:
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His mom's.  _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:26 am Post subject:
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| bachus wrote: | | seraph wrote: |
lovely is it in someone's arms  |
His mom's.  |
His Mom's???!
Do pigs wear shirts in the US of A?  _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN. |
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| v-un-v wrote: | | bachus wrote: | | seraph wrote: |
lovely is it in someone's arms  |
His mom's.  |
His Mom's???!
Do pigs wear shirts in the US of A?  |
I once had a Nubian goat that wore an old sweater of mine on cold nights. But I think one can assume this one was adopted.  _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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I once had a Nubian goat that wore an old sweater of mine on cold nights. |
what un-f***ing-believable  _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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| seraph wrote: | | bachus wrote: |
I once had a Nubian goat that wore an old sweater of mine on cold nights. |
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I don't really see much humor here. Nubians originated in Africa. The poor animal's coat was thin, suited to a warmer clime than this. I went out to check on him one cold night and he was shivering and obviously quite miserable. He accepted the sweater without objection and was still wearing it the next morning so it became a practice on nights expected to drop below 10 degrees (-12 centigrade). It is common to dismiss the misery of animals as insignificant, but I think that is an ethical mistake. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Excellent! a good act and a good story.
Are there pictures of this? Also, forgive me if I'm being overly practical or something but wouldn't a little house like dogs sometimes have make more sense? I've know of other goats that had one of those but admit I never saw one in it. On top of the little house, yes, scratching against it too, but never in one _________________ Kassen |
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| bachus wrote: | | It is common to dismiss the misery of animals as insignificant, but I think that is an ethical mistake. |
I have never had a goat, Nubian or from elsewhere so you'll excuse my ignorance. I have only had dogs and cats. at one time I had 3 cats and a dog. When we lived in the countryside my male cat, Otto, loved to stay out at night during the winter and come back in the morning to sleep all day on our bed. _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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Oh, it makes perfect sense and using a old sweater seems entirely practical but it's still a animal wearing human clothes so that's funny and cute and needs photographs by definition. I just pulled a Google image search for "funny cute" and half of the first page is about photographs of animals in clothes, this makes it scientific, I think. _________________ Kassen |
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I have to confess that animals dressed in human clothing are usually far down on my list of things cute ...say... oh ... somewhere between dung beatls and ingrown toenails. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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