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Ponk



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Awesome track! except maybe the ending.

Is there more somewhere? Are there actual (released, that is) recordings by you? Me wants to buy!

Oh, and Squarepusher's newest album Ultravisitor is breathtaking. Undoubtedly one of the very best albums of the year. It is kind of avant-garde jazz made with a lot of electronics. And there's some unbelievable bass and drum playing, too. The fourth track Iambic 9 Poetry makes me doubt my atheism. There must be some kind of god somewhere when there is music like that. Of course, the album is best listened in full, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the encouragement. We have so much stuff that we want to put out, it's just a matter of time and finances. Currently we have a 7 in. split coming out around late January and another potential split closer to summer. I posted a few other of our tracks on this forum so please listen to them and tell me what you think. Also, there is a remix we did for Venus Hum on iTunes that is more traditional in it's structure. And BTW, I will be checking into Ultravisitor.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

simply:
Awesome.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

lovejones` wrote:
simply:
Awesome.


Thank you
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I listened to those older tracks by you and they were great, too. I like especially Cowboys don't cry. That noise is great in the middle part and its twisted future western feel is hilarious. IDM is a good music style (if you want to call it that), but there is a lot of mediocre stuff around that just repeats the old IDM tricks, whereas you have a fresh approach. Keep up the good work! Hail the Master

I hope you get to release your music more widely. It deserves to be heard.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks alot Ponk. I'm glad you dug it. We appreciate the encouragement and will post some more tracks soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wow, this ones a keeper. Paul made a good point, although it didn't strike me hard with this track (but it does with a lot of IDM). IDM songs typically present a sound idea and technique and just play it out to long. Alterations of the melody, progressions, snare and bass drums (all of the core "song structure" sounds) after a bit into IDM songs would be refreshing. Sometimes I think guys get stuck on that "micro managing" level and need to take a step back, just try not to fall into this trap.

Overall, this is a very impressive track. Keep them coming.

And squarepusher...I suggest the album "Big Loada" over others....It is from 97, a year or two before Hard Normal Daddy came out. Both of those albums strike me as very similar, but Big Loada spotlights rhythmic alteration while Hard Normal Daddy spotlights the tonal and harmonic alteration. (This is why I'm recommending it, you seem to like the complex rhythm idea). These don't quite compare to later albums though, he eventually got into recording strictly analog stuff and made free jazz for an album or two. The most recent album is an almagam of all of his past themes, done well.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I agree with your comment about the trappings, so to speak, of IDM "introversion". Exploration of an amusing sound or technique typically result in one of two exercises: singular development and decomposition or additional structural application and enhancement. It is SO easy to become fascinated with a sound and it's characteristics seeing as how quickly todays hardware and software will allow you to manipulate them. As necessary as these "journeys" are in helping us to develop a better understanding of how sounds work, it's important to be able to step away from them at some point and figure out how to incorporate them into something that aids in song development and not just wanking. Too often I fall victim to the four-hour drumkit wank-a-thon. But I guess those are some formative moments.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jensen sportag wrote:
Too often I fall victim to the four-hour drumkit wank-a-thon. But I guess those are some formative moments.

That sounds pretty good to me. I'd like to hear you do that.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
jensen sportag wrote:
Too often I fall victim to the four-hour drumkit wank-a-thon. But I guess those are some formative moments.

That sounds pretty good to me. I'd like to hear you do that.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jensen sportag wrote:
I agree with your comment about the trappings, so to speak, of IDM "introversion". Exploration of an amusing sound or technique typically result in one of two exercises: singular development and decomposition or additional structural application and enhancement. It is SO easy to become fascinated with a sound and it's characteristics seeing as how quickly todays hardware and software will allow you to manipulate them. As necessary as these "journeys" are in helping us to develop a better understanding of how sounds work, it's important to be able to step away from them at some point and figure out how to incorporate them into something that aids in song development and not just wanking. Too often I fall victim to the four-hour drumkit wank-a-thon. But I guess those are some formative moments.


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