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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:32 am Post subject:
sizone wrote:
Better still, divert some of that military funding and realign the taxation system to fund teaching logic and critical thinking in primary education, possibly even ethics. Then everyone wins.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:37 am Post subject:
gsanchez wrote:
The solution that I can think of (I'm just a regular student) is for the Mexican government to focus more on the (economically) poor (providing education and job opportunities) and to make a real strategy to cut the drug cartels income (I'm not going to say what, because I'm really not aware of all economical, political and social factors.)
The same is true in the US, although to a lesser degree. Plus, the drugs end up in the US, so the logical solution would be for the US to help Mexico (in addition to itself), end poverty.
But, wait! We're a capitalist pig economy! WTF am I saying?!?
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:38 am Post subject:
pyrosonic wrote:
Yeah,and the vast majority of them are actually in charge.
Old Russian proverb: Whether the water is fresh or salt, shit floats. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:38 am Post subject:
pyrosonic wrote:
Lack of sanitation will bring down Mexico's Government a lot faster than the drug cartels imho.And that would be a very unwelcome development for the US Govt.(Just sayin',call me mister practical)
Lack of sanitation will bring down Mexico's Government a lot faster than the drug cartels imho.And that would be a very unwelcome development for the US Govt.(Just sayin',call me mister practical)
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject:
gsanchez wrote:
..,.On the other hand I (in my own personal and subjective opinion) perceived the blog post as manipulative (using hatred to get to an objective using Goebbelian propaganda techniques), fallacious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy), and xenophobic (Mexican poop vs. American kids wtf?)
Despite all the kidding I do keep thinking about the thread title and my almost instinctive dislike for it--as if tasting food gone bad.
If, gsanchez, I translate your concrete expression into abstractions I understand my experience of it: An appeal to one of man's baser instincts to promote one of his best. And it just feels ugly wrong. That's probably all I should have said but it took me this long to tease out the what was going on at the root. I can be painfully slow.
BTW Happy NewYear to all _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham
(...) An appeal to one of man's baser instincts to promote one of his best.
Yeah I see your point, reminds me to the bull fighting video you posted some time ago.
Happy new year!
btw, your nickname reminds me to a piece I played like three years ago: Vivat Bacchus (but with the extra c of course, referring to the God of drink or something like that ) ... it's great!
(...) An appeal to one of man's baser instincts to promote one of his best.
Yeah I see your point, reminds me to the bull fighting video you posted some time ago.
Happy new year!
btw, your nickname reminds me to a piece I played like three years ago: Vivat Bacchus (but with the extra c of course, referring to the God of drink or something like that ) ... it's great!
I fear that may be lost on an uneducated man like Bachus! _________________ Where there are too many policemen, there is no liberty. Where there are too many soldiers, there is no peace. Where there are too many lawyers, there is no justice.
Lin Yutang (1895-1976)
Joined: Jul 12, 2008 Posts: 383 Location: Kent,Oh. USA
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:03 am Post subject:
Um...what I was attempting to say was that a failure to provide for essential basic human needs is going to make for an unhappy populace faster than most other things that people tend to consider a problem,like drug cartels.(Not that they aren't an issue as well) I agree with Sanchez that they aren't likely to "bring down" the Government,but constant Cholera epidemics because the water's not safe just might.
Sorry my analysis isn't more profound,I also didn't go to college.
gsanchez wrote:
audiodef wrote:
pyrosonic wrote:
Lack of sanitation will bring down Mexico's Government a lot faster than the drug cartels imho.And that would be a very unwelcome development for the US Govt.(Just sayin',call me mister practical)
Um...what I was attempting to say was that a failure to provide for essential basic human needs is going to make for an unhappy populace faster than most other things that people tend to consider a problem,like drug cartels.(Not that they aren't an issue as well) I agree with Sanchez that they aren't likely to "bring down" the Government,but constant Cholera epidemics because the water's not safe just might.
Well I apologize for my douchy response. To be sincere, I thought you were joking or trolling around. I'm no technocrat but I believe that in order to make such an assumption one would have to have deep knowledge of a variety of socio-economical factors, understand the Mexican political system and blablabla more stuff... (you get my point).
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Sorry my analysis isn't more profound,I also didn't go to college.
I never implied that you need to go to college to make a deep analysis. Edison, Telemann, Faraday were autodidacts. Bill Gates and Michael Dell dropped out of college to make their companies.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject:
I'm not even sure what a college degree is worth any more - or if it was ever worth anything. I got my degree and fortunately, I simply wanted it. It was a step along my Path, and it ended up having nothing to do with what I did for a living for the 8 years after graduating university. Now what I do with my life is actually related to my degree, but I'm not making a single dime from it and have no delusions about ever doing so. I'm just happy with what I'm doing.
Too many people get degrees with the hope of being able to "make more money" and end up with shitloads of unmanageable debt run amok. Not long ago I had a chat with a friend who was thinking of going to college and I emphatically stressed 1. he do it because it calls to him, 2. he do it therefore not with the goal of "making more money" because of it later and 3. under no circumstances ever accept loans, especially these days.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject:
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To be sincere, I thought you were joking or trolling around
One of the rare instances where I really wasn't.
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I believe that in order to make such an assumption one would have to have deep knowledge of a variety of socio-economical factors, understand the Mexican political system and blablabla more stuff...
No,that's what you need to make an informed statement
An assumption requires much less. (And what I said,in retrospect, probably falls more into the latter category.)
My apologies for being a bit too touchy regarding your remarks.No worries.
audiodef:
Your observations regarding college are spot on.My Mother encouraged me to go,but I wouldn't have any of it and while I regret that choice,I doubt whatever I would have chosen would have done much for me career wise.Ironically,a music degree would have given me the most mileage,but I certainly wasn't smart enough to believe that back then.
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