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I'd be quite willing to pay for a copy of OSX to have that, b.t.w., I'd probably need to pay for a copy of that , then download a crack that will actually run but I think that's in the clear, morally. |
Kas I hate to spoil your fun, but I'm under the illusion that although it will be quite possible to hack OS X to run on a PC- while it will run the built in applications, It won't run 3rd party apps- such as Ableton, Logic etc- although I may be wrong?
I'm however thinking along the lines of getting a new Intel Mac- but my copy of Logic is still at v6
I upgraded from Logic Gold 6 to Logic Pro 2 weeks prior to Apple announcing that the upgrade from Gold to 7 would have been the same- ie I was one of the unlucky people who got 'burned' on eating Apple pie. Something I was not too happy about.
So will my copy of 6 work with an Intel chip or will I have to upgrade to 7 as well?
I hate commercial software. It's a con. The future is freeware 
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I guess Apple will put something in the OS that won't let it run if the motherboard isn't made or licensed by Apple. My Mac checks in with Big Brother every time I turn it on (maybe more I don't know). I guess XP will do that too, but I've turned it off.
Probably Apple will make motherboards that aren't compliant to any of the standard ones, so maybe it won't be easy to put a Mac in a different case. I don't see the majority of Mac users being into customization though.
The customization movement seems to be driven by gamers. These guys buy custom among other things liquid coolant systems so they can overclock their CPUs by 25% or more, and they increase the clocking on the memory busses and such. Mac customers are probably not of that temperament. Remember the original Mac slogan, "the computer for the rest of us". I'm sure these issues agonized Apple executives when they came to the realization that they had to move over to the x86 architecture.
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| mosc wrote: | | I guess Apple will put something in the OS that won't let it run if the motherboard isn't made or licensed by Apple. |
I've actually seen it run on off the shelf hardware with my own eyes.
Anyway, those probooks are starting to look like a good idea to me. It's a *NIX, it runs on a real modern cpu and there will be pro level aplications as well as drivers for real soundcards. Sadly no benchmarks for Live on probooks around yet.
V-un-v, I'm with you on the free stuff but I also need a laptop that needs run something at least as good as Live, that needs to have multiple high quality outputs with real drivers. It also needs to be fast and it absolutely can't crash.
Mosc, I've met people that refused to buy Mac's because of the "phoning home", I'm personally not too woried about that, just rip out the internet support and it will stop; that's what I did with my windows. I see no reason for workstations to be connected to the internet anyway.
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So will my copy of 6 work with an Intel chip or will I have to upgrade to 7 as well? |
no Tom, you'll have to upgrade to Logic Pro 7. the first Intel compatible version is 7.2 sooner or later I'll have to upgrade too I am at 6.4.3 (the last one before 7)
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| Kassen wrote: | | Mosc, I've met people that refused to buy Mac's because of the "phoning home", I'm personally not too woried about that, just rip out the internet support and it will stop; that's what I did with my windows. I see no reason for workstations to be connected to the internet anyway. |
You could always get 'little snitch'
http://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html
-but then there's nothing to stop little snitch phoning home either!!  |
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| seraph wrote: | | v-un-v wrote: |
So will my copy of 6 work with an Intel chip or will I have to upgrade to 7 as well? |
no Tom, you'll have to upgrade to Logic Pro 7. the first Intel compatible version is 7.2 sooner or later I'll have to upgrade too I am at 6.4.3 (the last one before 7) |
yeah- that's what I thought 
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Funny you should say that- but the only thing that will ever crash (well give it a Kernel Panic) this mac is this ultra-shit Thomson Speedtouch 330 usb modem that came free with my breakfast cereal (Virgin ISP)!!
Top of that- maybe perhaps, an application will crash- but never will it bring down OS X with it. X is fantastic for that- one of the many reasons I love it so much.
 So kids- if someone offers you a free Thomson Speedtouch 330 usb modem- take it as a massive insult- and offer them to a duel at sunrise |
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I'm sure it doesn't but oldschool protable Mac's are disqualified for still using G4 processors and not running Live all that well.
Also; if the application goes down then I don't care what the OS is doing; the aplication simply can't go down in a performance situation. The OS in the meantime may crash as well or for all I care it can go into super dooper mode where flowers and glitter stream from the ventilation ports.
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| Kassen wrote: | I'm sure it doesn't but oldschool protable Mac's are disqualified for still using G4 processors and not running Live all that well.
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Okay- you'll be pleased to know that Live is a very stable program on my G4 (500mHz Ti). As for performance of Live- I haven't the foggiest idea what you are on about- because Live runs really well on this machine- and I'm not joking. |
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| Kassen wrote: | | mosc wrote: | | I guess Apple will put something in the OS that won't let it run if the motherboard isn't made or licensed by Apple. |
I've actually seen it run on off the shelf hardware with my own eyes |
That's a hacked copy, right?
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It is probably either one of the two known working Apple made WINTEL builds that have been circulating on the net for months, or the recent hack.
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What applications will the hacked OSX run?
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Currently the Apple branded "hacks" will run the first 06 iLife suite, and the hack will run the same I think.. in native "universal" compiled versions. All the rest runs in emulation mode which basically makes it a middle of the range G5. 
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That's a hacked copy, right? |
Yeah. I think it was a litttle test of this guy. In his defence; he was also running several legal copies of OSX on G series Macs. I don't think this was supposed ot do any serious work but it would be quite capable of everyday browsing/chatting/etc.
I also saw a hybrid setup which ran Windows but with most of the Aqua interface (or perhaps a realy good emulation?).
Anyway, I think this is very interesting. We might see OSX and Windows growing closer together. I'm not at all in favour of "Warez" but I'm not in favour of build in incompatibility either. So; yes, it's illegal and E-M shouldn't support or encourage that behaviour but it might also be a glimpse of the future.
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| elektro80 wrote: | | Currently the Apple branded "hacks" will run the first 06 iLife suite, and the hack will run the same I think.. in native "universal" compiled versions. All the rest runs in emulation mode which basically makes it a middle of the range G5. |
That might still be a good deal to a lot of people....
Couldn't Linux programs be compiled for this? There's some seriously interesting stuff there, I think Spiral Synth for example would be quite nice. I think the main issue in the near future will be drivers.
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